12杜兰特向雷霆道歉什么水平,新手求问

威少38+11+12厉害? 他真想赢杜兰特但真就赢不了
自凯文-杜兰特休赛期选择加盟金州勇士后,所有人都在期待着他与老东家俄克拉荷马城雷霆的重逢战。4日勇士终于和雷霆相遇,结果勇士用第二节攻势一下子击垮了对手,他们毫无悬念地以122比96带走胜利,杜兰特也用39分7篮板的表现力压威少。对阵勇士之前,威少交出了场均38.7分、11.7次助攻和12.3个篮板球的场均三双数据。全世界的球迷都知道,这也许是威斯布鲁克最想赢下的一场比赛,但这也许是他永远都赢不了的比赛……全场比赛勇士90投46中,三分球30投14中,罚球20罚16中,他们抢到47个篮板,有16个进攻篮板,助攻27次,抢断9次,盖帽14次,失误15次。投篮命中率51.1%,三分球命中率46.7%,罚球命中率80%。雷霆87投35中,三分球27投10中,罚球28罚16中,拿到41个篮板,其中13个进攻篮板,助攻20次,抢断8次,盖帽7次,失误16次。投篮命中率40.2%,三分球命中率37%,罚球命中率57.1%。从数据对比上,就可以看出勇士的表现要明显好于雷霆,不论是投篮命中率、三分命中率还是罚球命中率,都要远高于雷霆。值得注意的是,勇士的三分命中率竟然要高于雷霆的投篮命中率,这就能看出勇士的三分进攻火力有多么强,而且是多么的靠谱。就两队的身高而言,雷霆略占优势,因为他们内线有亚当斯、坎特这样的长人。可是在篮板争夺中,却是勇士超过雷霆,不论是总篮板还是进攻篮板,勇士都占优。这主要得益于格林、帕楚里亚等人在篮板拼抢上的积极表现。在助攻、抢断、盖帽等数据方面,勇士也是明显占优,毫不过分的说,这场比赛他们是全面压倒了雷霆,这与大比分胜出的结果是一致的。统计数字对比可以看出两队的实力还是有着较为明显的差距,不过也不能忽视雷霆是背靠背的第二场,他们前一晚刚与快船进行了一番激战,而勇士则是以逸待劳,再加上拥有主场之利,他们自然会占据一些优势。除了球队之间的比拼外,本场的最大焦点莫过于杜兰特和威少的较量,他们的表现也没有让观众们失望,两人在场上都有不少亮点。杜兰特全场24投15中,三分球11投7中,得到39分、7个篮板和1次盖帽。其中在比赛的上半场,杜兰特就得到29分,他的进攻手感奇佳。杜兰特此前有过4次单场命中7记三分的表现,最近一次是今年的2月28日,巧合的是对手正是勇士,当时身披雷霆战袍的杜兰特三分球11投7中,全场砍下37分。威少本场15投4中,三分球4投2中,14罚10中,得到20分、10次助攻、6个篮板、6次失误和2次盖帽。在勇士的严防下,威少的命中率不能令人满意,他的失误次数也有些多。毕竟威少是雷霆唯一有威胁的攻击点,也是球队的控球者,他的失误多也能让人理解。由于身边缺少可靠的帮手,威少在进攻效率上自然不及杜兰特。事实上,这场焦点战的所有悬念都在上半场揭晓了。首节的胶着后,雷霆和勇士的差距在第二节得到体现,而这一节恰恰是杜兰特的发威带动了勇士。杜兰特在第二节独取16分,整个上半场他从格林、库里、汤普森、帕楚里亚等队友那里得到助攻,队友们共为他7次助攻,看得出勇士全队都在为他传球,努力给其创造进攻机会。勇士球员很清楚这一战对于杜兰特的意义,因此他们愿意为杜兰特创造表现机会,要让他在旧主面前再一次展现自己的实力。受益于杜兰特的爆发,勇士半场得到68分,这是他们的赛季新高,出色的进攻也带动了防守,他们半场丢掉43分是赛季新低。反观雷霆,整个上半场仅有一人给威少送上助攻,这一球还是新秀队友萨博尼斯传的。两人从队友那里得到的助攻就可以清楚看出他们从队友那里得到的支持根本不是一个量级的。杜兰特身边有库里、汤普森、格林这样的明星球员,他们都有不错的传球能力,也都喜欢去分享球,这正是杜兰特考虑加盟勇士的原因之一。而威少身边是奥拉迪波、萨博尼斯这些队友,他们在能力上与库里等人差距明显,他们自身创造机会的能力就比较差,也很难要求他们给威少送出助攻。所以在雷霆阵中,威少只能更多地选择自己持球进攻。上赛季西部决赛,勇士和雷霆激战了七场,勇士4比3险胜晋级。休赛期在杜兰特转投勇士后,两队已不再是一个级别的队伍,这一战就充分说明了这一点。杜兰特离开的决定是否正确,至少从目前来看是没有错的,加盟勇士让他有更好的夺冠机会。而对于选择留守俄城的威少来说,他对冠军的追逐只能是再等待下去,要看看雷霆高层是否能为其招来真正的好帮手。(伊去)
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由于这次降薪,下赛季竟有12名球员工资高于杜兰特
北京时间7月4日,根据ESPN记者Chris Haynes的报道,杜兰特和勇士达成了一份2年5300万美元的续约协议。根据《今日美国》记者Sam Amick的报道,下赛季杜兰特的薪水大概为2500万,而原本他下赛季的薪水可以达到3450万,这意味着杜兰特降薪幅度达到950万美元。去年夏天,杜兰特加盟勇士时签的合同都比这份大,去年他签的是2年5430万美元。可以说,KD的这次降薪幅度在历史上也是罕见的。那么,KD下赛季的年薪在联盟中是什么水平呢?先来看今年夏天拿到新合同的球员们下赛季的薪水:米尔萨普3年9000万,下赛季薪水2850万库里5年2.01亿,下赛季薪水3460万格里芬5年1.73亿,下赛季薪水2970万洛瑞3年1亿,下赛季薪水3080万其他还在合同中,执行合同的球员下赛季的薪水:詹姆斯下赛季薪水3329万康利下赛季薪水2853万韦斯布鲁克下赛季薪水2830万哈登下赛季薪水2830万德罗赞下赛季薪水2774万霍福德下赛季薪水2773万安东尼下赛季薪水2624万利拉德下赛季薪水2615万也就是说,下赛季联盟中有12名球员的年薪都高于KD,薪水最高的是库里(从童工合同一跃成为联盟薪水第一人),第二高的是詹姆斯。联盟乱象丛生,有些人拿的大合同,而总决赛mvp,杜兰特却大幅降薪,竟有12人比他工资高!
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JSP3/2.0.14随便聊聊奥登和杜兰特到底是什么级别的新秀吧
昨天看到很多JRS在讨论和的选秀问题,隐约间觉得可能和当初的印象有些出入。因为当时网络媒体尚不如今日发达,主要消息来源是灌篮杂志和篮球先锋报,可能当时尚未看球的JRS很难想象球迷对于奥登和杜兰特的期待,只从期望来说真的远不是如今的维金斯、西蒙斯等热门新秀能比的。刚才得空去翻了翻当初奥登和杜兰特的选秀报告和新闻,想开贴随便聊聊。有几个观点想先摆在前面,后面会有当时球探报告的翻译,最后是关于以上观点的具体想法。第一次发帖,仅仅是一些个人观点,可能会跟各位看法有所出入,欢迎讨论。1.开和不开天眼的情况下,07选秀怎么选?开天眼杜兰特;不开天眼奥登。2.杜兰特如今是否超出了当时所有人的预期?没有,当初对他的预期其实高得恐怖,如今只能算达到,不能算超过。3.人们对杜兰特的定位到底是什么样的球员?没人说得清,因为从未有过他这样的球员,当时对他模板的说法包括KG、麦迪、甚至师。4.人们对奥登的定位到底是什么样的球员?绝对不是。模板拉塞尔/大卫罗宾逊。一定要以如今球员比较的话,想象一下单防能力增强、体型更大一点、身体素质更好、策应能力出色、有一定自主进攻能力的罚球不错的小。5.人们对奥登的伤病有预期么?有,但当时的观点主要是担心他的右手,没人想到最后让他陨落的是膝盖。6.07年选秀在当时看是否是超级大年?毫无疑问是,且奥登和杜兰特是被认为未来有可能接近的新秀。接下来是奥登和杜兰特的球探报告和翻译,球探报告转自nbadraft.net,体测数据来自DraftExpress,奥登的两篇球探报告分别写于07年和05年,杜兰特的三篇则写于07年、07年和04年。Oden
NBA Comparison: David Robinson/Bill Russell
NBA模板:大卫罗宾逊/拉塞尔Matthew Maurer – 1/21/2007Strengths:
One of those dominant centers that surfaces in the high
school ranks every 10 or so years
在高中时期展露出的统治级中锋的天赋十年甚至更久才能一见。
Has the size and NBA ready body that few his age possess
拥有适合NBA级别比赛的身体素质,这在同龄人中极为少见。
Great athlete who runs the court with ease and excellent
leaping ability
优秀的运动能力,跑跳俱佳。
Gets great position in the post and most importantly gets
his body wide to give guards a good target to pass into
在内线良好的位置感,最重要的是,他可以在内线伸展开身体以方便后卫喂球。
Wherever the ball goes, Oden works the lane constantly
working to get open
无论球在何处,奥登只要在油漆区附近总会努力保持可接球状态。
Does a great job of keeping the ball high away from opposing
在高举篮球避免被对方后卫偷球方面做得很好。
Finishes well around the lane with authority via dunk,
lay-up or put back
良好的油漆区终结能力,扣篮、上篮、补篮均拿手。
Defensively he is a top notch shot blocker
防守方面他是个顶级的火锅手。
Possesses the lateral quickness to be an excellent help
拥有快速的横向移动,可以成为优秀的协防者。
Owns pro timing as he doesn’t bite on pump fakes easily
时机掌握优秀,很难吃晃。
Plays the game with a calm and mature demeanor
在比赛中可以保持冷静和成熟。
Hands have a rare quality in that they are both soft and
他的手感柔和但十分有力,这是罕见的特点。
Rarely do passes get bobbled nor do balls get stripped from
传球失误很少,也很少被从手中抢断。
Excellent rebounder who is not only a good rebounder in his
area but is also terrific out of position
优秀的篮板手,不仅卡位出色,冲抢能力同样优秀。
Post game has already shown good improvement since high
从过去的比赛可以看出他高中以来有不小的提升。
Potentially Oden has few peers and has yet to scratch the
surface of his potential
潜力上来说,奥登几乎无人能及。
Underrated passer who has shown decent court vision
被低估的传球手,事实上他在场上拥有良好的视野。
Does a great job of recognizing double teams and reacting to
对包夹能够良好的识别和应对。
Great character guy.
性格很好。
Despite all the publicity Oden has received from an early
age, he has remained humble and hungry to improve as a player
尽管年少成名,但他如今仍然十分谦逊并保持着作为球员的对成长的渴望。
Weaknesses:
Offensively Oden isn’t very polished with his back to the
背框能力还较粗糙。
Nor does he possess a big assortment of moves
内线动作也不够丰富
Needs to expand his shooting range, as of right now Oden is
very uncomfortable facing the basket
射程需要加长,奥登目前面框能力较差。
Has struggled when playing against strong aggressive players
Although this is to be expected when you consider his age
在面对强壮、侵略性强的球员时会陷入困境,尽管考虑到他的年龄这完全可以改正。
Still learning what he's capable of, especially against big
and strong opponents, he can go through periods when he doesn’t dominate and
often he will defer to his teammates
需要对自己能力有正确认知,尤其是面对体格高大强壮的对手时,当他在对位中不占优势时他往往更多地交给队友处理。
Post footwork could stand to refinement
篮下脚步仍可继续提高。
From a fundamental stand point, he is still behind in
development.
总的来说他仍处在成长期。
As of right now he is often relying on pure athleticism and
目前他经常过分依靠自己的运动能力和体型。
Doesn’t always finish after contact
有时在内线接球后无法直接完成终结。
Can get into foul trouble when faced with physically
aggressive players
面对具有侵略性的对手时经常陷入犯规困境。
Aran Smith – 7/9/2005
Strengths:
Incredibly fluid athlete for a 7 footer
作为7尺长人不可思议的运动天赋。
Tremendous speed in the open court
极快的速度。
A center with his
agility and talent comes along roughly every 8-10 years
有着他这样灵活和天赋的中锋8-10年才得一见。
Extremely quick and explosive
极强的速度和爆发力。
Enormous potential
巨大的天赋。
His game has improved significantly from his sophomore to
junior seasons
他从高二到高三时期比赛表现有较大提升。
Starting to understand how to use his body and how dominant
开始学会使用自己的身体并展现统治力。
Big defensive presence, and a terrific shot blocker with
great length, timing and instincts
极强的防守存在感,优秀的火锅手,拥有高大的身材、准确的时机判断和天赋。
Excellent rebounder
优秀的篮板手
Soft touch around the basket
篮筐附近柔和的手感
Has developed a decent turnaround hook with his right hand
右手背身勾手能力已经开始被开发出来。
Very good passer with nice court vision (averaged 3.7
assists per game as a junior)
良好的比赛视野,优秀的传球手(高三时期场均3.7助攻)
Quality kid with a great attitude
拥有很好的态度。
Very coachable, listens and wants to improve
教练喜欢的球员,聆听教导并渴望提高。
Team player with a winners mentality
拥有赢家心态的团队球员。
Improving on a daily basis
每天都在成长。
Decent free throw shooter at 64% but needs to and should
improve upon it (improved considerably from 51% as a sophomore)
罚篮尚可,64%命中率,但仍需提高(高二时仅有51%,所以还是提高了不少的)。
Weaknesses:
Soft spoken.
性格较内向。
Very humble personality, which is a positive and a negative
in that some would like to see him develop more of a swagger of confidence, but
Tim Duncan and David Robinson were/are both silent (humble) assassins
极为谦逊的性格,这可能是双刃剑,大家可能更希望看到他霸气十足的一面,不过和大卫罗宾逊都是沉默的杀手
Needs to add more nastiness on the floor to dominate
防守仍需更为拼命。
Still raw in terms of post moves, they are developing, but
still have a ways to go
背身技巧仍较生疏,尽管仍在提高,但还有较长的路要走
He is so dominant on the high school level he hasn't needed
to develop any range or post skills
高中时期统治力过强导致他无需提高射程和背打技巧
Doesn't have the ability to create offense for himself as he
can overwhelm anyone he faces with his size and athleticism
单打能力不足,因为目前他的体型和运动能力足以让他应付对手。
Still scores mostly on ally oops and put backs
得分过分依赖空接和补篮
Has nice touch, but needs to develop a consistent mid range
有不错的手感,但中投的稳定性仍需提高。
Strength won’t be an issue for him ultimately, but right now
he needs to add muscle to his upper body and legs
强壮不会成为他日后的问题,但目前他的上肢和腿部仍需增肌。
Almost too unselfish
几乎过于无私。
The top candidate for the number 1 pick in the 2007 draft,
one year removed from high school. A year of college should give him a great
stepping stone for the NBA.
2007年状元最大热门,一年的大学生涯让他能够为进入NBA做好更充足的准备。
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这些回帖亮了
最后聊一聊自己对于两位新秀的看法。
1.开和不开天眼的情况下,07选秀怎么选?
开天眼还选奥登的怕是石乐志--你让一个球都没打几场的球员和联盟的历史级巨星作比较,这对双方都是一种侮辱吧。但是如果不开天眼呢?个人认为以当时的情况来看,任何一支球队的老板都会毫不犹豫地选择奥登。一是因为当时奥登展现出的能力和前景实在是太过诱人,顶级的身体天赋、成熟的防守能力、优秀的球商、谦逊的性格等等,球探报告中几乎都会说,奥登这样的天赋十年左右才能一见,而当时NBA的历史才仅仅60年;二是当时小球尚未风靡而联盟又缺乏顶级中锋,一个单防协防篮板均优秀的中锋,又有良好的视野和策应能力,这毫无疑问是众相争抢的香饽饽。记得当时有记者采访一位球队经理时说:如果杜兰特能成为历史前五的球员,奥登能成为历史前五的中锋,你选谁?经理毫不犹豫地说:奥登。可见一斑。
2.杜兰特如今是否超出了当时所有人的预期?
个人认为没有。当时杜兰特的球探报告里有这样一句话:杜兰特在最近十年的任何一年参选(98-07),只要没有詹姆斯和奥登,他都会是无可指摘的状元人选(In any draft sans LeBron James and Greg Oden of
the past 10 years, he is the consensus top pick)。这句话来自Adi Joseph 2007年的球探报告。换句话说,在07年,人们认为他的发展前景可能好于韦德、安东尼、霍华德等一众巨星,已经是相当高的期望了。当时就有人认为如果他足够努力甚至有机会成为nba历史前五的球员,所以达到今日成就只能说是达到了预期,但并不算是超出预期。做个类比,你认为詹姆斯超过当初所有人的预期了么?我觉得答案也是没有吧。毕竟当时高中时期的詹姆斯被认为是有机会挑战神的地位的人。同理,我觉得杜兰特也没有。
3.人们对杜兰特的定位到底是什么样的球员?
当时杜兰特的球探报告中经常出现special甚至out of this world这样的词语,是因为人们实在没见过这样类型的球员,把他的模板迷迷糊糊地定位了诺维茨基/麦迪。高中时期他被认为可能会在增重后成为下一个KG,大学时有人认为他有可能成为下一个麦迪,但他太高了,那考虑到他恐怖的投射能力也许会是下一个诺维茨基,但再看看那不该属于这个身高的控球能力--说不定是下一个魔术师?其实人们很难给他找到准确的定位,他是历史上那种独一无二的球员,身高臂长、顶级的跑跳、恐怖的投射、娴熟的运球,除了瘦弱的身体和稍显懒散的防守,他几无缺点。人们都对他充满期待,想看看他究竟会成长为怎样的怪物。
4.人们对奥登的定位到底是什么样的球员?
有些JRS认为是奥尼尔,这个是不现实的,奥登的体重在体测时甚至还远没有表妹体测时重,不可能是奥尼尔那种级别的。奥登的模板是拉塞尔,是以防守为主的,同时辅以中锋中顶级的跑跳能力和球商,又是教练公认的容易教导的团队球员,这怎么看都跟奥尼尔没什么关系。但是如果换一种说法,你认为一个单防能力加强、球商很高、策应能力出色的小乔丹是个什么级别的球员呢?我一直认为如今SHH对奥登最大的误解是经常将他和姚鲨作对比,认为他是会终结小球的那种中锋,但我认为恰恰相反,他是那种小球时代核武级别的内线。他的进攻更多来自二次进攻和空接,他的身材扛得住高大的内线,协防意识和盖帽能力顶级,有良好的视野和策应能力,能跑能跳还不怕被砍--真的,不能要求更多了。
5.人们对奥登的伤病有预期么?
奥登最出名的一场比赛是所谓的单手打爆霍福德和诺阿。这种说法无疑过分了,我去YouTube看过这场的录像,奥登还没那么恐怖。但是这也确实是之前人们的担心--他的右手。只不过后来没人想到,这个天才被伤病侵袭到几乎无以复加。07年9月被发现膝盖内有软骨损伤迹象,进行手术,赛季报销;09-10赛季,被布鲁克斯撞伤了膝盖,左髌骨骨折,赛季报销;10-11赛季之初,核磁共振检查,被发现左膝关节软骨需要手术治疗,随即再次接受膝盖微创手术,赛季报销。这样如被诅咒的职业生涯,恐怕真的是出人意料,让人扼腕叹息。
6.07年选秀在当时看是否是超级大年?
毫无疑问。哪怕没有后58名新秀,仅仅凭奥登杜兰特两人就够了。两人都被认为是十年来最接近詹姆斯的新秀,这样的新秀一届出了两个,而后面还有霍福德、康利、诺阿、贝里内利等优秀球星。新秀属性评分中奥登和杜兰特分别是106和104,这是什么概念呢,维金斯被认为是有机会成为下一个詹姆斯的人,这个评分是99;球哥夏季联赛如此惊艳,98,大概这样。那年易建联能在第六顺位被选中,真的其实已经超出预期了,但毫无疑问他的天赋在新秀里绝对算得上顶级水平,这也让如今再看更多了几分遗憾。
写到最后,我觉得好像有点长,甚至怀疑没多少人会看。但是为什么要写呢,我想可能是因为对过去日子的怀念--那些一起打球的日子,那些和同学打NBA live的日子,那些全班传看篮球先锋报的日子,那些一起冲到食堂围着小电视看火箭的日子,都过去了。记得07年初,班里一个哥们下课的时候问我看好奥登还是杜兰特,我说我更喜欢杜兰特,他说好巧我也是。我记得这个对话,也记得他是个詹姆斯球迷,可惜如今他所在何方却并不记得了。那个时候会为喜欢的球星争得面红耳赤,如今却连看球的时间都没了。人总要有些念想,所以会怀念,会寄托,也会想象。我觉得,就像恩比德如今如此受追捧,很大程度上是因为在他身上人们能依稀看到当初那个被寄予厚望的大帝的影子,希望这个大帝能弥补我们当年的遗憾吧。
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二十一世纪所有新秀放在一块选秀,奥登和杜兰特都能进前三的水平,当然,前三还有詹姆斯。
NBA Comparison: Dirk Nowitzki/Tracy McGrady
NBA模板:诺维茨基/麦迪
Adi Joseph - 2/6/2007
Strengths:
A dynamic wing player with freakish length and agility and a
scorers mentality ...
活力十足的侧翼球员,恐怖的身高和敏捷的结合,拥有杀手本能。
Has the ability to essentially score at will on the college level
拥有在大学级别比赛随心所欲得分的能力
A special player offensively, who has fully developed post skills
to go along with an NBA-range jumper …
进攻端来讲极为特别,同时拥有NBA级别的投射能力和完全被开发出的背打能力
His ability to pull up off the dribble is absolutely illegal for a
6-10 player …
对于一个6英尺10英寸的球员,他的运球上篮能力简直是犯罪。
Simply dominates even elite NCAA competition and top defenders, as
his combination of height, length, athleticism, and skill is completely
unrivaled on this level …
在NCAA八强赛面对顶级防守人仍然统治进攻端,考虑到他的身高、臂展、运动能力,这个层级上他的技术无人能力。
Despite a laid-back nature, he has developed leadership and
demands the ball in crunch time …
尽管天性随和,他已经培养出了领导力并渴望在关键时刻持球解决比赛
He's skilled and instinctual enough to have an offense run through
&技巧娴熟,天赋异禀
Already a great rebounder who understands the importance of boxing
out and can simply leap over players who try to push him out of the lane …
优秀的篮板手,充分理解卡位的重要性,能够轻松解决那些想要把他推出禁区的球员
Has the potential to become a great defender with his 7-5 wing
span and great leaping ability …
拥有7-5的臂展和极佳的弹跳,有潜力成为优秀的防守者
The best NCAA freshman to play in some time …
很长一段时间内的NCAA最强新人
Born in September, he's a year young for his grade, further adding
to his intrigue!
9月出生,在同级生中较年轻,更增加了吸引力
Weaknesses:
Hasn't been fully tested in terms of competition. Does he have the
fire inside to maximize his abilities and develop a killer instinct?
未在高强度比赛中证明自己,不确定是否能提供内线火力来最大化他的贡献并进一步提升他的杀手本能
will he continue to work hard after
he starts cashing 7 figure checks? …
他天性随和,不知道拿到7位数的支票后是否还能如过去那般努力
Defensively, he's very lax. Tends to be too upright, and should
focus more on his defensive fundamentals, getting low in his defensive stance,
especially on the perimeter …
在防守上非常懒散,应该更注重防守细节,降低防守姿态,尤其是中距离附近。
Has all the potential to be a lock down defender, but doesn't put
the effort in on that side of the ball …
拥有成为优秀防守人的天赋,但在防守端付出的努力还不够
Still needs to bulk up, although he has bulked up significantly
since high school. May always be skinny and adding too much weight could slow
his foot speed some …
依然需要增肌,尽管他高中以来已经强壮了很多,但也可能会一直较瘦弱,增加太多重量可能会影响他的脚步速度
Adding weight will make him more aggressive inside, as he tends to
shy away from contact and can be pushed around and affected when played
physical …
增重会让他在内线更具侵略性,现在他经常避免身体接触可能会在近身肉搏较多的比赛中受影响
Ball handling could still use refinement, as he is a little too
high in his dribble …
运球仍可改善,考虑到他运球时重心过高
Shows flashes of great passing but is inconsistent …
有传球的天赋但不够稳定
Should block more shots with his length and athleticism …
考虑到他的身高和运动能力,盖帽能力仍需提高
Can improve upon the nuances of the game, moving without the ball,
understanding where to be in help defense situations, giving equal effort on
both ends of the floor etc.
在面对垃圾话、无球跑动、协防位置、平衡攻防两端贡献等方面仍需提高
Notes: Benefited greatly from
the NBAs newly implemented draft rule making high school players ineligible. In
any draft sans LeBron James and Greg Oden of the past 10 years, he is the
consensus top pick
得益于NBA最近出台的禁止高中生参加选秀的政策。在过去10年任何一年,如果没有詹姆斯和奥登,他都会是无可争议的状元人选。
Matthew Maurer - 3/26/2007
Strengths:
Athletically Durant is in rare company as his wingspan, mobility,
quickness, and leaping ability have few peers …
顶级的运动天赋,考虑到他的臂展、速度、敏捷和弹跳,几乎难有匹敌
Great in transition and on the fast break where he finishes with
优秀的转换进攻和快攻,他在这方面的终结上颇有天赋
Excellent feel for the game and confidence allow him to make the
game appear effortless …
优秀的赛场感觉和自信使他能够掌控比赛
Has the ability to catch and shoot off screens with ease …
拥有优秀的挡拆后接球就投的能力
Has legit NBA three point range that he hits with regularity …
三分射程达到NBA水准
Runs the court with the speed of a guard …
在过全场跑动中有后卫级别的速度
Defensively he has all the physical tools to develop into a
exceptional defender …
Blessed with quick hands, length, lateral quickness and good
natural instincts …
拥有成为顶级防守人的所有硬件条件—手快、身长、横移速度快和天赋
Soft hands allow for him to catch any pass thrown to him in the
Back to the basket moves are quite advanced and are executed with
great speed and solid post footwork …
背身能力优秀,拥有很快的速度和扎实的背身脚步
Ball handling ability enables Durant to gain separation from most
defenders …
优秀的运球能力让他得以过掉大多数防守者
Perimeter shooting has no limitations as he has no trouble
converting from mid-range with his feet set or off the dribble …
中距离投篮及其优秀,原地投篮及运球后投篮均可
Excellent rebounder on balls of out of position as he's capable of
grabbing boards that would normally be out of reach for even the most athletic
of players …
优秀的篮板手,在失位的情况下仍然能拿到篮板,这对于大多数运动天赋极强的球员依然很难做到。
Leadership skills have really blossomed this year as he took a
young Texas team on his back giving Kansas a solid run in the Big 12 final and
into to the NCAA tournament
今年他的领导力得到了极大提升,他带领年轻的德州大学杀入疯三
Above average shot blocker capable of disrupting shots …
平均水准之上的火锅手,能够很好地干扰投篮。
Explosive scorer who is capable of going through dominating
stretches during games that leave opposing teams shellshocked …
爆炸得分手,可以在一段时间内连续得分,而对手除了目瞪口呆地看着什么都做不了
A player with out of this world potential …
他的天赋甚至不该属于这个世界
Weaknesses:
Double teams have proven to trouble him as he doesn't always read
them quickly enough …
识别并处理包夹的能力较弱
While he is unselfish, he lacks the passing ability to create for
his teammates …
尽管他很无私,但他缺乏传球给队友创造进攻机会的能力
To his credit his isn't a terribly poor passer but certainly
doesn’t stand out at this point in his career
他并不是一个太差的传球手,但当然也绝不出色
Defensively he is improving and showing a willingness to improve,
but still needs to work on his perimeter defense in terms of his anticipation
skills and footwork
在防守方面,他正在进步并且看起来愿意继续提高,但在中距离防守的预判和脚步上还有很多要做
Has a tendency of bite on fakes when going for the block, so
improvement on his timing and patience will eliminate this …
在试图盖帽时有点吃晃,所以他对时机的判断和耐心还需提高以避免这种情况
Like most freshmen in college Durant will need to add more weight
and body strength. He probably will always be on the slim side due to his
narrow chest, but it shouldn't hinder him much except finishing inside …
像大多数大一新生一样,杜兰特还需增重。但考虑到他的肩窄,他可能会一直瘦弱下去,不过好在这除了内线得分以外对他影响也不大
Doesn’t always take full advantage of mismatches, often Durant
will settle for the outside jumper, granted it's not a horrible alternative …
还不够会利用错位防守,这种情况下杜兰特往往会选择外线跳投,尽管这也不算是个太糟糕的选择
&Body strength doesn’t allow him to finish after contact …
瘦弱导致他在身体接触情况下的终结能力较差
Despite being such a dominate offensive force, Durant can go
through stretches of games where he appears fatigued and won't demand the ball
尽管进攻端极具统治力,杜兰特有时会在连续的比赛中感到疲惫并不想要球
Gets pushed out rather easily on rebounds due to his body strength
由于瘦弱他在篮板拼抢中很容易失位
Although not a major flaw, it should be noted that Durant operate
primarily on the right side of the floor …
尽管可能不是什么大问题,但值得注意的是杜兰特更喜欢在赛场右侧进攻
Ball protection will need to be worked on as he can get careless
with the ball
护球还需提高,有时候他会因大意被抢断
Aran Smith - 12/27/2004
Strengths:
His upside is out of this world …
他的上肢水平不该属于这个世界
This kid is not even beginning to scratch the surface of his
potential …
这个孩子甚至还没开始变现他的天赋(就已经这么强了)
Looking at him you see his frame is going to fill out in 3-4 years
看着他,你会发现在3-4年他会在现在这个框架下羽翼渐丰
Very fluid athlete with explosiveness …
速度、爆发力俱佳
He plays hard and is still learning the game …
打球很努力,并且在学着阅读比赛
Provided he works hard, Durant is going to be a special player in
the league who will be able to do many different things on the court …
如果他继续努力,杜兰特将成为联盟中极其特殊的存在,他能做到很多前人无法想象的事情
Not aggressive enough to be like Kevin Garnett, but skilled enough
down the road to contribute like a Andrei Kirilenko or a Grant Hill …
尽管不如加内特那般有侵略性,他依然有可能像基里连科或格兰特希尔那么全能
Developing inside outside game …
场内场外都在野蛮生长
Can shoot the 3 and flush in transition …
可以接连地在行进间投进三分
It is scary to think of what he could be like if he puts on 15 lbs
of muscle and developed a handle, a 2010 version of KG!
如果他增加15磅肌肉、继续成长将多么恐怖,2010年我们就会看到下一个KG!
Weaknesses:
His (lack of) stength is his major weakness, and he really needs
to put on weight or he won't be able to do much in the NBA except shoot deep 3s
or score in transition like Darius Miles of 4 years ago …
他的瘦弱是最大的缺点,他确实需要增重,否则他在NBA除了投远距离三分和像4年前的达柳斯迈尔斯那样转换进攻恐怕就做不了别的什么了
Needs to become more aggressive, develop more nastiness …
他需要更有侵略性,更拼命
Still developing a game off the dribble
仍需提高运球
Defensively he needs to move his feet better and keep his hands
active on the ball …
防守方面他仍需提高脚步、更多尝试断球
Oak Hill Academy is giving him the work ethic he will need in the
long run, since he most likely won't be going to college
橡树山学院(高中)将教授他在今后漫长职业生涯所需的职业素养,毕竟他看起来不太可能上大学了(04年高中生尚可参加NBA选秀)
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以上是两人的体测数据,可以看出奥登的弹跳甚至优于杜兰特,在中锋中各项指标几乎均为顶级。
NBA Comparison: Dirk Nowitzki/Tracy McGrady
NBA模板:诺维茨基/麦迪
Adi Joseph - 2/6/2007
Strengths:
A dynamic wing player with freakish length and agility and a
scorers mentality ...
活力十足的侧翼球员,恐怖的身高和敏捷的结合,拥有杀手本能。
Has the ability to essentially score at will on the college level
拥有在大学级别比赛随心所欲得分的能力
A special player offensively, who has fully developed post skills
to go along with an NBA-range jumper …
进攻端来讲极为特别,同时拥有NBA级别的投射能力和完全被开发出的背打能力
His ability to pull up off the dribble is absolutely illegal for a
6-10 player …
对于一个6英尺10英寸的球员,他的运球上篮能力简直是犯罪。
Simply dominates even elite NCAA competition and top defenders, as
his combination of height, length, athleticism, and skill is completely
unrivaled on this level …
在NCAA八强赛面对顶级防守人仍然统治进攻端,考虑到他的身高、臂展、运动能力,这个层级上他的技术无人能力。
Despite a laid-back nature, he has developed leadership and
demands the ball in crunch time …
尽管天性随和,他已经培养出了领导力并渴望在关键时刻持球解决比赛
He's skilled and instinctual enough to have an offense run through
&技巧娴熟,天赋异禀
Already a great rebounder who understands the importance of boxing
out and can simply leap over players who try to push him out of the lane …
优秀的篮板手,充分理解卡位的重要性,能够轻松解决那些想要把他推出禁区的球员
Has the potential to become a great defender with his 7-5 wing
span and great leaping ability …
拥有7-5的臂展和极佳的弹跳,有潜力成为优秀的防守者
The best NCAA freshman to play in some time …
很长一段时间内的NCAA最强新人
Born in September, he's a year young for his grade, further adding
to his intrigue!
9月出生,在同级生中较年轻,更增加了吸引力
Weaknesses:
Hasn't been fully tested in terms of competition. Does he have the
fire inside to maximize his abilities and develop a killer instinct?
未在高强度比赛中证明自己,不确定是否能提供内线火力来最大化他的贡献并进一步提升他的杀手本能
will he continue to work hard after
he starts cashing 7 figure checks? …
他天性随和,不知道拿到7位数的支票后是否还能如过去那般努力
Defensively, he's very lax. Tends to be too upright, and should
focus more on his defensive fundamentals, getting low in his defensive stance,
especially on the perimeter …
在防守上非常懒散,应该更注重防守细节,降低防守姿态,尤其是中距离附近。
Has all the potential to be a lock down defender, but doesn't put
the effort in on that side of the ball …
拥有成为优秀防守人的天赋,但在防守端付出的努力还不够
Still needs to bulk up, although he has bulked up significantly
since high school. May always be skinny and adding too much weight could slow
his foot speed some …
依然需要增肌,尽管他高中以来已经强壮了很多,但也可能会一直较瘦弱,增加太多重量可能会影响他的脚步速度
Adding weight will make him more aggressive inside, as he tends to
shy away from contact and can be pushed around and affected when played
physical …
增重会让他在内线更具侵略性,现在他经常避免身体接触可能会在近身肉搏较多的比赛中受影响
Ball handling could still use refinement, as he is a little too
high in his dribble …
运球仍可改善,考虑到他运球时重心过高
Shows flashes of great passing but is inconsistent …
有传球的天赋但不够稳定
Should block more shots with his length and athleticism …
考虑到他的身高和运动能力,盖帽能力仍需提高
Can improve upon the nuances of the game, moving without the ball,
understanding where to be in help defense situations, giving equal effort on
both ends of the floor etc.
在面对垃圾话、无球跑动、协防位置、平衡攻防两端贡献等方面仍需提高
Notes: Benefited greatly from
the NBAs newly implemented draft rule making high school players ineligible. In
any draft sans LeBron James and Greg Oden of the past 10 years, he is the
consensus top pick
得益于NBA最近出台的禁止高中生参加选秀的政策。在过去10年任何一年,如果没有詹姆斯和奥登,他都会是无可争议的状元人选。
Matthew Maurer - 3/26/2007
Strengths:
Athletically Durant is in rare company as his wingspan, mobility,
quickness, and leaping ability have few peers …
顶级的运动天赋,考虑到他的臂展、速度、敏捷和弹跳,几乎难有匹敌
Great in transition and on the fast break where he finishes with
优秀的转换进攻和快攻,他在这方面的终结上颇有天赋
Excellent feel for the game and confidence allow him to make the
game appear effortless …
优秀的赛场感觉和自信使他能够掌控比赛
Has the ability to catch and shoot off screens with ease …
拥有优秀的挡拆后接球就投的能力
Has legit NBA three point range that he hits with regularity …
三分射程达到NBA水准
Runs the court with the speed of a guard …
在过全场跑动中有后卫级别的速度
Defensively he has all the physical tools to develop into a
exceptional defender …
Blessed with quick hands, length, lateral quickness and good
natural instincts …
拥有成为顶级防守人的所有硬件条件—手快、身长、横移速度快和天赋
Soft hands allow for him to catch any pass thrown to him in the
Back to the basket moves are quite advanced and are executed with
great speed and solid post footwork …
背身能力优秀,拥有很快的速度和扎实的背身脚步
Ball handling ability enables Durant to gain separation from most
defenders …
优秀的运球能力让他得以过掉大多数防守者
Perimeter shooting has no limitations as he has no trouble
converting from mid-range with his feet set or off the dribble …
中距离投篮及其优秀,原地投篮及运球后投篮均可
Excellent rebounder on balls of out of position as he's capable of
grabbing boards that would normally be out of reach for even the most athletic
of players …
优秀的篮板手,在失位的情况下仍然能拿到篮板,这对于大多数运动天赋极强的球员依然很难做到。
Leadership skills have really blossomed this year as he took a
young Texas team on his back giving Kansas a solid run in the Big 12 final and
into to the NCAA tournament
今年他的领导力得到了极大提升,他带领年轻的德州大学杀入疯三
Above average shot blocker capable of disrupting shots …
平均水准之上的火锅手,能够很好地干扰投篮。
Explosive scorer who is capable of going through dominating
stretches during games that leave opposing teams shellshocked …
爆炸得分手,可以在一段时间内连续得分,而对手除了目瞪口呆地看着什么都做不了
A player with out of this world potential …
他的天赋甚至不该属于这个世界
Weaknesses:
Double teams have proven to trouble him as he doesn't always read
them quickly enough …
识别并处理包夹的能力较弱
While he is unselfish, he lacks the passing ability to create for
his teammates …
尽管他很无私,但他缺乏传球给队友创造进攻机会的能力
To his credit his isn't a terribly poor passer but certainly
doesn’t stand out at this point in his career
他并不是一个太差的传球手,但当然也绝不出色
Defensively he is improving and showing a willingness to improve,
but still needs to work on his perimeter defense in terms of his anticipation
skills and footwork
在防守方面,他正在进步并且看起来愿意继续提高,但在中距离防守的预判和脚步上还有很多要做
Has a tendency of bite on fakes when going for the block, so
improvement on his timing and patience will eliminate this …
在试图盖帽时有点吃晃,所以他对时机的判断和耐心还需提高以避免这种情况
Like most freshmen in college Durant will need to add more weight
and body strength. He probably will always be on the slim side due to his
narrow chest, but it shouldn't hinder him much except finishing inside …
像大多数大一新生一样,杜兰特还需增重。但考虑到他的肩窄,他可能会一直瘦弱下去,不过好在这除了内线得分以外对他影响也不大
Doesn’t always take full advantage of mismatches, often Durant
will settle for the outside jumper, granted it's not a horrible alternative …
还不够会利用错位防守,这种情况下杜兰特往往会选择外线跳投,尽管这也不算是个太糟糕的选择
&Body strength doesn’t allow him to finish after contact …
瘦弱导致他在身体接触情况下的终结能力较差
Despite being such a dominate offensive force, Durant can go
through stretches of games where he appears fatigued and won't demand the ball
尽管进攻端极具统治力,杜兰特有时会在连续的比赛中感到疲惫并不想要球
Gets pushed out rather easily on rebounds due to his body strength
由于瘦弱他在篮板拼抢中很容易失位
Although not a major flaw, it should be noted that Durant operate
primarily on the right side of the floor …
尽管可能不是什么大问题,但值得注意的是杜兰特更喜欢在赛场右侧进攻
Ball protection will need to be worked on as he can get careless
with the ball
护球还需提高,有时候他会因大意被抢断
Aran Smith - 12/27/2004
Strengths:
His upside is out of this world …
他的上肢水平不该属于这个世界
This kid is not even beginning to scratch the surface of his
potential …
这个孩子甚至还没开始变现他的天赋(就已经这么强了)
Looking at him you see his frame is going to fill out in 3-4 years
看着他,你会发现在3-4年他会在现在这个框架下羽翼渐丰
Very fluid athlete with explosiveness …
速度、爆发力俱佳
He plays hard and is still learning the game …
打球很努力,并且在学着阅读比赛
Provided he works hard, Durant is going to be a special player in
the league who will be able to do many different things on the court …
如果他继续努力,杜兰特将成为联盟中极其特殊的存在,他能做到很多前人无法想象的事情
Not aggressive enough to be like Kevin Garnett, but skilled enough
down the road to contribute like a Andrei Kirilenko or a Grant Hill …
尽管不如加内特那般有侵略性,他依然有可能像基里连科或格兰特希尔那么全能
Developing inside outside game …
场内场外都在野蛮生长
Can shoot the 3 and flush in transition …
可以接连地在行进间投进三分
It is scary to think of what he could be like if he puts on 15 lbs
of muscle and developed a handle, a 2010 version of KG!
如果他增加15磅肌肉、继续成长将多么恐怖,2010年我们就会看到下一个KG!
Weaknesses:
His (lack of) stength is his major weakness, and he really needs
to put on weight or he won't be able to do much in the NBA except shoot deep 3s
or score in transition like Darius Miles of 4 years ago …
他的瘦弱是最大的缺点,他确实需要增重,否则他在NBA除了投远距离三分和像4年前的达柳斯迈尔斯那样转换进攻恐怕就做不了别的什么了
Needs to become more aggressive, develop more nastiness …
他需要更有侵略性,更拼命
Still developing a game off the dribble
仍需提高运球
Defensively he needs to move his feet better and keep his hands
active on the ball …
防守方面他仍需提高脚步、更多尝试断球
Oak Hill Academy is giving him the work ethic he will need in the
long run, since he most likely won't be going to college
橡树山学院(高中)将教授他在今后漫长职业生涯所需的职业素养,毕竟他看起来不太可能上大学了(04年高中生尚可参加NBA选秀)
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以上是两人的体测数据,可以看出奥登的弹跳甚至优于杜兰特,在中锋中各项指标几乎均为顶级。
最后聊一聊自己对于两位新秀的看法。
1.开和不开天眼的情况下,07选秀怎么选?
开天眼还选奥登的怕是石乐志--你让一个球都没打几场的球员和联盟的历史级巨星作比较,这对双方都是一种侮辱吧。但是如果不开天眼呢?个人认为以当时的情况来看,任何一支球队的老板都会毫不犹豫地选择奥登。一是因为当时奥登展现出的能力和前景实在是太过诱人,顶级的身体天赋、成熟的防守能力、优秀的球商、谦逊的性格等等,球探报告中几乎都会说,奥登这样的天赋十年左右才能一见,而当时NBA的历史才仅仅60年;二是当时小球尚未风靡而联盟又缺乏顶级中锋,一个单防协防篮板均优秀的中锋,又有良好的视野和策应能力,这毫无疑问是众相争抢的香饽饽。记得当时有记者采访一位球队经理时说:如果杜兰特能成为历史前五的球员,奥登能成为历史前五的中锋,你选谁?经理毫不犹豫地说:奥登。可见一斑。
2.杜兰特如今是否超出了当时所有人的预期?
个人认为没有。当时杜兰特的球探报告里有这样一句话:杜兰特在最近十年的任何一年参选(98-07),只要没有詹姆斯和奥登,他都会是无可指摘的状元人选(In any draft sans LeBron James and Greg Oden of
the past 10 years, he is the consensus top pick)。这句话来自Adi Joseph 2007年的球探报告。换句话说,在07年,人们认为他的发展前景可能好于韦德、安东尼、霍华德等一众巨星,已经是相当高的期望了。当时就有人认为如果他足够努力甚至有机会成为nba历史前五的球员,所以达到今日成就只能说是达到了预期,但并不算是超出预期。做个类比,你认为詹姆斯超过当初所有人的预期了么?我觉得答案也是没有吧。毕竟当时高中时期的詹姆斯被认为是有机会挑战神的地位的人。同理,我觉得杜兰特也没有。
3.人们对杜兰特的定位到底是什么样的球员?
当时杜兰特的球探报告中经常出现special甚至out of this world这样的词语,是因为人们实在没见过这样类型的球员,把他的模板迷迷糊糊地定位了诺维茨基/麦迪。高中时期他被认为可能会在增重后成为下一个KG,大学时有人认为他有可能成为下一个麦迪,但他太高了,那考虑到他恐怖的投射能力也许会是下一个诺维茨基,但再看看那不该属于这个身高的控球能力--说不定是下一个魔术师?其实人们很难给他找到准确的定位,他是历史上那种独一无二的球员,身高臂长、顶级的跑跳、恐怖的投射、娴熟的运球,除了瘦弱的身体和稍显懒散的防守,他几无缺点。人们都对他充满期待,想看看他究竟会成长为怎样的怪物。
4.人们对奥登的定位到底是什么样的球员?
有些JRS认为是奥尼尔,这个是不现实的,奥登的体重在体测时甚至还远没有表妹体测时重,不可能是奥尼尔那种级别的。奥登的模板是拉塞尔,是以防守为主的,同时辅以中锋中顶级的跑跳能力和球商,又是教练公认的容易教导的团队球员,这怎么看都跟奥尼尔没什么关系。但是如果换一种说法,你认为一个单防能力加强、球商很高、策应能力出色的小乔丹是个什么级别的球员呢?我一直认为如今SHH对奥登最大的误解是经常将他和姚鲨作对比,认为他是会终结小球的那种中锋,但我认为恰恰相反,他是那种小球时代核武级别的内线。他的进攻更多来自二次进攻和空接,他的身材扛得住高大的内线,协防意识和盖帽能力顶级,有良好的视野和策应能力,能跑能跳还不怕被砍--真的,不能要求更多了。
5.人们对奥登的伤病有预期么?
奥登最出名的一场比赛是所谓的单手打爆霍福德和诺阿。这种说法无疑过分了,我去YouTube看过这场的录像,奥登还没那么恐怖。但是这也确实是之前人们的担心--他的右手。只不过后来没人想到,这个天才被伤病侵袭到几乎无以复加。07年9月被发现膝盖内有软骨损伤迹象,进行手术,赛季报销;09-10赛季,被布鲁克斯撞伤了膝盖,左髌骨骨折,赛季报销;10-11赛季之初,核磁共振检查,被发现左膝关节软骨需要手术治疗,随即再次接受膝盖微创手术,赛季报销。这样如被诅咒的职业生涯,恐怕真的是出人意料,让人扼腕叹息。
6.07年选秀在当时看是否是超级大年?
毫无疑问。哪怕没有后58名新秀,仅仅凭奥登杜兰特两人就够了。两人都被认为是十年来最接近詹姆斯的新秀,这样的新秀一届出了两个,而后面还有霍福德、康利、诺阿、贝里内利等优秀球星。新秀属性评分中奥登和杜兰特分别是106和104,这是什么概念呢,维金斯被认为是有机会成为下一个詹姆斯的人,这个评分是99;球哥夏季联赛如此惊艳,98,大概这样。那年易建联能在第六顺位被选中,真的其实已经超出预期了,但毫无疑问他的天赋在新秀里绝对算得上顶级水平,这也让如今再看更多了几分遗憾。
写到最后,我觉得好像有点长,甚至怀疑没多少人会看。但是为什么要写呢,我想可能是因为对过去日子的怀念--那些一起打球的日子,那些和同学打NBA live的日子,那些全班传看篮球先锋报的日子,那些一起冲到食堂围着小电视看火箭的日子,都过去了。记得07年初,班里一个哥们下课的时候问我看好奥登还是杜兰特,我说我更喜欢杜兰特,他说好巧我也是。我记得这个对话,也记得他是个詹姆斯球迷,可惜如今他所在何方却并不记得了。那个时候会为喜欢的球星争得面红耳赤,如今却连看球的时间都没了。人总要有些念想,所以会怀念,会寄托,也会想象。我觉得,就像恩比德如今如此受追捧,很大程度上是因为在他身上人们能依稀看到当初那个被寄予厚望的大帝的影子,希望这个大帝能弥补我们当年的遗憾吧。
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状元的奥登
基本上不出意外,在两人水平差不多的情况下,中锋是状元。就像大梦和乔丹。
引用4楼 @ 发表的:基本上不出意外,在两人水平差不多的情况下,中锋是状元。就像大梦和乔丹。是的。不过想发这个帖子是因为昨天看到有个讨论奥登和杜兰特的帖子把新秀时期的奥登和杜兰特都低估得很厉害,那个时候的杜兰特已经很恐怖了,可是奥登依然稳稳的当上了状元,并不仅仅是个中锋这么简单
二十一世纪所有新秀放在一块选秀,奥登和杜兰特都能进前三的水平,当然,前三还有詹姆斯。
引用6楼 @ 发表的:二十一世纪所有新秀放在一块选秀,奥登和杜兰特都能进前三的水平,当然,前三还有詹姆斯。确实,有球探报告表示杜兰特在98-07这十年内,仅次于詹姆斯和奥登,已经很顶尖了
引用7楼 @ 发表的:确实,有球探报告表示杜兰特在98-07这十年内,仅次于詹姆斯和奥登,已经很顶尖了放在08到17,也就威金斯能勉强和阿杜一比吧,西蒙斯也才101分。
奥登不伤,天不是这样的天。
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其实杜兰特也算是超过预期了,当年选秀对他的定位是一个纯得分手,生涯前期也确实是只表现出得分上的天赋。后来他也是不断练习,才逐渐变得像现在全面。
引用8楼 @ 发表的:放在08到17,也就威金斯能勉强和阿杜一比吧,西蒙斯也才101分。查了一下维金斯99西蒙斯100,能比的应该是罗斯和比斯利,可惜一个毁于伤病,一个毁于自律
阿杜只能屈居榜眼,说明奥登天赋真的也很牛叉
引用9楼 @ 发表的:奥登不伤,天不是这样的天。是的,不过只看当时的体测数据,会发现奥登居然可能是最理想的小球时代的内线。。。
全看完了我才发表一下我的评论,阿杜其实进联盟的时候有优势,但质疑他如此瘦高能否打出来也是正常的事,kd每年都在进步,从他前几个赛季的防守积极性和移动进化成了联盟前列的防守者,从一个瘦高射手成为如今能顶在4号位的全能球员。他甚至远远超出了我的预期,也祝阿杜能完全兑现他的天赋,达到更好的杜兰特
引用10楼 @ 发表的:其实杜兰特也算是超过预期了,当年选秀对他的定位是一个纯得分手,生涯前期也确实是只表现出得分上的天赋。后来他也是不断练习,才逐渐变得像现在全面。额应该说不能算纯得分手,只不过因为比较瘦弱被认为内线攻防能力会比较差,但对他的篮板能力是肯定的,并且认为他有成为顶级防守人的所需的所有天赋和身体条件。对他的定位是十年内仅次于詹姆斯奥登,所以以如今来看应该是差不多达到了
引用11楼 @ 发表的:查了一下维金斯99西蒙斯100,能比的应该是罗斯和比斯利,可惜一个毁于伤病,一个毁于自律话说罗斯多少分来着
引用12楼 @ 发表的:阿杜只能屈居榜眼,说明奥登天赋真的也很牛叉是的,至少这10年来还没有人被赋予他当初那么高的期待
引用16楼 @ 发表的:话说罗斯多少分来着罗斯104比斯利103
奥登健康过一赛季,被姚明按地上摩擦,我是不觉得一个统治级中锋会被姚明按在地上摩擦
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杜兰特的球探报告里有那么不可思议的词汇描述。。 足以证明他的天赋
因为实在是太难给他弄个模板了
以前从来没出现过这样的球员。
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